Log file opened: 8/17/97 12:01:03 PM *** Log file opened: 8/17/97 12:07:05 PM SevenEagle- we will start in about 5 minutes :-) QuietWaters- Just a note: next week's class will be at 7pm on Sunday instead of noon. SevenEagle- ok, shall we get started? AngelWings- meditation JJ Stardancer- wb 7 AngelWings- ready here =) Stardancer- sure QuietWaters- I'm ready...wb Eagle just_jersey- ready :) onmyown- s- Stardancer- set SevenEagle- I ask that you refrain from comment, or input till I have copied these notes to the channel. Please do comment if I need to slow down how fast I put this information up, and please do have a pen and paper handy, and jot down any thing you wish to expand upon or discuss. SevenEagle- First I will introduce myself, my spirit name is Soars With Eagles. I hate titles, but for the sake of argument I will state that I am a sensitive, a seer, a knower, a healer, a shaman, a pipebearer, and many other "names". SevenEagle- I do not claim to know all or see all, or even that my way is anything other than that, "my" way. SevenEagle- Although there are probably some books you can look these things up in, I am not book taught, or share this information from books, but from my personal experiences. SevenEagle- I am one who is spirit taught. SevenEagle- I have had the pleasure of having very spiritual people share with me there views, ranging from medicine men and women, and very wise grandmothers, and grandfathers, healers, sensitives, knowers, physics, and etc. None of which have been my "teachers" but I believe all teach us. SevenEagle- My only purpose in sharing this about Guides, is so you may ponder what I say, I am not trying to convert anyone, or change your way in any way. All have free will, and it doesn't effect me if you think this is true or not, if you feel the way I feel, or if you choose to put into the trash what I have to say. Please share any view point you have with us after I have copied my experiences into the channel. SevenEagle- With that said, I will finally share my input into Guides with you. SevenEagle- Guides SevenEagle- There are several guides (spirit helpers) that are available to all, and others that come and go as "needs" be. SevenEagle- The Great Spirit SevenEagle- (god/ess, heavenly father, insert the name of your choice) is there for all. SevenEagle- The other guides I am speaking of now, are also available to all, and it is there "job" in a sense to help us... SevenEagle- Father sky, mother earth, the spirit of the east, south, west, and north. SevenEagle- Although Father sky has been seen as male, and mother earth has been seen as female.....all spirit balances with both male and female energies. When I have talked with the directions, I personally have not called upon them as male or female, but in discussions with Stardancer, have felt that if I where to imply type of energies, I have felt that they would be....east-female, west-male, south-female, north-male.......only because of what I feel as heal SevenEagle- Now on to other guides. SevenEagle- Relatives SevenEagle- All of us have relatives who have passed during or before our life in this present life (meaning they have left there body behind, and have not taken an earth body again yet). An example is my Grandfather (my Dads father, who passed before I was born), who has watched over me and visited and talked with me a lot, especially in my childhood. It is not a given that we will have relatives watch over us, in the sense of being a "guide". I do believe that SevenEagle- their love and connection with us in this life. SevenEagle- Ancestors SevenEagle- What I refer to as "Ancestors" are people who have been guides, and or relatives in past lives (other Ancestors may or may not have been connected to us on earth, as in where not part of our family, but as members and people of the community, who have helped us before), who stay now in spirit form. The Ancestors are a "group" who have decided to stay in spirit form, not needing to pass through this earthen body anymore. My words fail me in trying to SevenEagle- Ancestors.....The ones who are held in high regard, in the upper echelon.....I will stop trying to explain the Ancestors, I guess they are more to be "experienced" as such, to have a relationship with, and an honor for them to step in and guide us. SevenEagle- Angels SevenEagle- Angels are spirits who have never lived in the earth body. There are many angels, such as Michael, or Gabriel. Angels can appear in bodily form, as any other spirit guide may, but not all spirit guides wish to do so. SevenEagle- AngelWings is covering the Angels :-) Please add your thoughts here AngelWings. AngelWings- thank you Seven AngelWings- what I have to say on the subject is short, by no means the all to end all, so to speak AngelWings- just my belief on the subject AngelWings- First let me address the Christian aspect of angels, somewhat AngelWings- The Christians do not a have a monopoly on angels nor was ti the Christian faith that invented them AngelWings- Angels existed in the old religions long before the Christian faith AngelWings- they were incorporated into that faith, along with many other pagan beliefs to make transition to the Christian faith easier AngelWings- I believe that every one of us was given a guardian angel at birth AngelWings- I do not know who chooses them or if they choose us AngelWings- or if we perhaps asked them as spirits AngelWings- they are here to protect us, guide us, and be there with us when we die, to make the transition to the afterlife easier AngelWings- and one more thing AngelWings- I do not think that angels are here to do our bidding, or to "obey" us AngelWings- I feel that is presumptuous AngelWings- and a little arrogant AngelWings- to think that they are puppets for us to control AngelWings- and that, if tried, you will be taught a painful lesson in humility AngelWings- please go on Seven SevenEagle- Totem guides SevenEagle- Totem guides take two different forms, the ones who are spirit, who take bodily form to talk with us, and the ones who are in body. Including but not limited to....animals, rock people, tree people, insect people, faries, dragons, etc. SevenEagle- Last but not least...Aliens SevenEagle- Ok, now I see a few eyebrows going up, Aliens can also be guides. Alien simply means not of the Earth, or has lived in a body other than what we call the body of an earthling. I will share with you a couple I have seen, and maybe a small description of them. SevenEagle- The observers SevenEagle- The observers are the ones who like to cloak themselves, they like to watch, while not being observed themselves. They are not a guide as such, but do help by passing on information to others, who will then know our progress, and then they step in to help us too. Again, it is not a given you will have an Alien guide. I have annoyed a few of the observers, because I see them, and try to get them to talk with me, they do not talk with us, and get some what annoyed knowing that "we" also see them, and try to talk to them. The observers form is that of a being that stands over 7' tall, and look some what "human"...isn't it a shame how we may have thought of aliens as looking weird, although I will discuss a couple of the alien guides, that do look quite different. SevenEagle- Alien guides SevenEagle- Ok I just called these Aliens guides, because they do talk with us, and help. I have seen several different forms, in the sense that they range in height, as we do, ranging from 4' to about 6'. Yes you will notice a little bit bigger head and eyes with these guides. SevenEagle- The black winged ones SevenEagle- The black winged ones, yes if you have seen them you would know why I call them this. They too help guide us, and seem to come mostly when there is some kind of spiritual battle, or strong testing present. These beings are all black, range in height from usually 5' to SevenEagle- 6', and have large black wings as well. Maybe the best way to describe them is...like a bat person, yes with legs and arms, very smooth body, regular sized head, the head being larger at the top and going more to a point near the "chin" SevenEagle- I know that this list of all guides is not complete, I just wanted to talk about the guides I have personally seen and talked with. SevenEagle- A foot note, then open to discussion. SevenEagle- Different spirits choose whether or not they take form, doesn't matter what form, as in human, animal or what ever, some choose not to take a body form, find it too limiting or just choose not to do so. They may SevenEagle- be seen, but not limited to.....an energy color cloud, an energy body (oval or egg shaped) or no type of energy body at all, just a being that you sense. SevenEagle- END open for discussion AngelWings- I have some questions =) SevenEagle- go right ahead AngelWings- how do you get any of those guides to help you? SevenEagle- AngelWings is working on connecting with her guides, she is asking them to talk with her SevenEagle- that is the first step SevenEagle- I also have talked with some of your guides, and asking them to talk with you SevenEagle- a lot of guides like to teach in the dream time SevenEagle- I will open your question to the rest here, for there input too :-) Stardancer- I think that many times we are helped without our minds really knowing it onmyown- perhaps not 'consciously' aware... Stardancer- yep QuietWaters- Mine tend to contact me in dreams...but there have been times when I feel some energy of some sort around me. Stardancer- all I do is ask onmyown- i have a question... SevenEagle- I know it is easier for some to talk with spirit, I was given a gift of "spirit calling" where spirit comes and talks, I believe everyone can and will talk with there guides SevenEagle- yes onmyown onmyown- would you comment on the aspects (attributes?) of the spirits of East South, West and North? SevenEagle- ok SevenEagle- there are many who associate different animals with the directions, I will leave that one alone, but....in general SevenEagle- east is for illumination and light, a place to start our questions and quests SevenEagle- a place where spirit teaches us, and guides us in the spirit path SevenEagle- from the South, comes life and death, rebirth and healing SevenEagle- from the west comes introspection, looking with in, and also connects us with our life's blood (water) SevenEagle- and also comes spirit play too SevenEagle- or lightness SevenEagle- like the heyoka SevenEagle- the trickster SevenEagle- but he also teaches SevenEagle- from the north comes healing also, and cleansing SevenEagle- that is just a quick statement of the directions QuietWaters- I have a question.... SevenEagle- any one else want to comment on the directions before QW question? Stardancer- nope SevenEagle- if no more input into the question, QuietWaters ask your question QuietWaters- This may seem silly, but...just curious...are all guides helpful? QuietWaters- Are there any that aren't particularly helpful? (Not sure how to put it..) SevenEagle- in the sense of a guide yes, some may pretend to be your guide, but even that is helpful, in learning the discerning of spirit SevenEagle- yes, there are some spirit forms who wish to hinder too AngelWings- yeah, I've had that happen AngelWings- only I wasn't aware of it Stardancer- but you somehow became aware of it AW? AngelWings- my mentor caught it, and showed me how to protect myself from further probs Stardancer- good onmyown- some may be 'mischievous', not precisely harmful, but may act in a way that may seem not particularly helpful... AngelWings- well, I was bruised in the arm, was quite painful, was being taught a "lesson" I think AngelWings- as in, I was allowed to get the bruise so that I would remember how to ask for help from a spirit guide AngelWings- the correct way Ravingloon has a question SevenEagle- yes Ravingloon? Ravingloon- how would I initially find my spirit guide? SevenEagle- I would meditate, pray or what ever you wish to call it, I would speak out loud, in privite, asking for a guide to come and speak with me, to let them be known to me AngelWings- how long does it usually take? SevenEagle- anyone else have a suggestion for RavingLoon? AngelWings- for them to contact you? SevenEagle- AngelWings, they know you are speaking with them, your question maybe how long will it take you to be receptive to them? or to sense them? Stardancer- was thinking mostly the same as Eagle said to loon AngelWings- and don't you have to be precise in you wording when you ask? so that you don't ask for the wrong thing? Stardancer- have to be careful in what you ask, I believe SevenEagle- AngleWings, if you speak from your heart, it is not wrong, do not worry about your words as such, spirit knows what you ask AngelWings- no, actually I was asking how long 'til they decide to answer you? mh has a question Stardancer- in their own time Stardancer- when you are really ready I think AngelWings- oh please go right ahead mh =) SevenEagle- I believe it is there intent to help you, and are helping you all the time, not that they "sit" there and say, ok she has waited long enough AngelWings- (sheesh, that could take years) mh- If these concepts don't jibe with my personal feelings, is there a problem with being wiccan? SevenEagle- yes mh? SevenEagle- no, your path is your path QuietWaters- Not at all, mh. SevenEagle- you believe what you wish onmyown agrees AngelWings- important thing is that your beliefs fit you, and no one else, you know? Stardancer- agree mh- thank you. That is very important to me Stardancer- agree QuietWaters- Maybe I should explain that part of the plan for these classes was not to limit it to strictly wicca..or what may be considered "traditional" wicca (if there is such a thing). mh- It is important not to be coerced into believing something that doesn't 'fit' my personal experiences QuietWaters- We wanted to present various views. AngelWings- if you find the alien thing hard to believe, well, you don't need that belief in you path AngelWings- for example mh- but I still respect yours SevenEagle- If two of us where in the same place, and had the same experience, we would probably preceive it differently, not wrong, but just differently AngelWings- wow, you got the exact point of these classes down, mh =) mh- thank you :) AngelWings- I know that others believe differently about angels, doesn't change my belief, nor would I want to change anyone else's AngelWings- just want to make them think, and perhaps reaffirm their own beliefs to them =) AngelWings- if that makes sense? mh- yes it does AngelWings- kewl mh- This seems to differentiate wicca from many other belief systems AngelWings is making sense, for once SevenEagle- ok, any more questions or comments? just_jersey- so if you don't dream then guides can appear in different ways, correct? AngelWings- how do you discern the guides who want to help you from the spirits who are trying to deceive you? AngelWings- oops sorry JJ SevenEagle- yes, I have seen then in person, in bodily form, in energy body form, and have just felt them SevenEagle- and as animal forms too just_jersey- np AW and thank you 7 SevenEagle- I had a beautiful experience with a spirit hawk, that I had told in channel just_jersey- sorry I wasn't there to hear it SevenEagle- AngelWings, it is up to you to discern what is good for you, QuietWaters- I missed it, too. :( Ravingloon- so did I AngelWings- I hate it when you answer like that LOL SevenEagle- hehehe QuietWaters- lol SevenEagle- Class is short today, if you like I will tell of the spirit hawk, it is kinda short I guess, lol Ravingloon- sure just_jersey would love to hear it :) AngelWings- I have tons of questions!!!! AngelWings- but go ahead QuietWaters- I'd love to hear it, too. :) SevenEagle- lol, well Angelwings, I have asked for questions, go ahead and ask, hehehe AngelWings- well, I guess I just don't understand how you're supposed to contact these guides AngelWings- I try and try and get nothing! SevenEagle- AngelWings, the only way for you is your way, look to see what it is you should do, you have the answer inside of you QuietWaters- Perhaps you're trying too hard, AW. Sometimes we try to push things and wind up missing the answer. (I should know...lol) AngelWings- but that's the problem, I tried the only way I knew how, I get nothing, as if they don't want to talk to me AngelWings- but your sincerity should come through AngelWings- guides recognize that don't they? SevenEagle- spirit knows your intent AngelWings- and if you are sincere, and if you don't hear them one way can't they try another way? AngelWings- my angel won't talk to me so that's why I'm asking all this, for those of you who don't know =) SevenEagle asks why AngelWings thinks spirit cannot hear her AngelWings- oh I'm sure the spirit does hear me SevenEagle- :-) AngelWings- just doesn't want to answer me SevenEagle- then what lesson are you learning from this? SevenEagle- maybe not answering you in the way you want AngelWings- I'm tired of one way conversations with my god, AngelWings- I'm open to any kind of answer, look for it in every place I can think of AngelWings- in all ways I can imagine SevenEagle- tell your god so, and ask for a relationship AngelWings- *sigh* I have Seven, that's why I'm asking you these questions SevenEagle- maybe just a test of faith on your part SevenEagle- or a cycle of learning, like at a beginning point AngelWings- how long must the test last AngelWings- sorry, I'm babbling SevenEagle- we all have gone through cycles AngelWings- please go ahead and tell your story AngelWings- I need to pull myself together onmyown- aw, those tests, cycles can 'seem' endless SevenEagle- ok, up for the story ya'll? QuietWaters- yup just_jersey- yes Ravingloon- yep SevenEagle- Another White Owl Story SevenEagle- I was driving to Atlanta, to go to a school course I had to complete for work. As I was driving down I-20, I was told to look for an Eagle. As some miles past, I saw a hawk on the road, so I stopped and talked with the hawk, and returned him to mother earth. He gave me some of his sacred feathers. I started down the interstate again, wondering if I SevenEagle- was to meet this eagle. As I was driving, I saw a strange site, it was a very large hawk just standing in the median of the interstate, watching the cars pass. I stopped thinking I needed to help this hawk cross the road with out harm coming to him.....reflecting back on this, wasn't it silly of me to think a hawk needed help crossing the road?.....so I crossed SevenEagle- ok, before I go too far, the last said was so I crossed, did you get that much? QuietWaters- yes AngelWings- I did Ravingloon- yep just_jersey- yes SevenEagle- the road and talked with this hawk, telling him who I was and that I wanted to help him cross the road, with out harm to him. He spoke to me in a sensitive yet firm way, he did not need any help, he had come to release the spirit of the hawk I had just stopped to give back to mother earth. SevenEagle- With that said, he raised his large wings and took the hawks spirit with him, I watched this large hawk, three beats of his wings, and he disappeared, then I realized that this was a spirit bird, one who had come to release the spirit of the other hawk and to show me yet another lesson, one of seeing spirit unawares, who materializes for our sakes, for us to see SevenEagle- them in earthen body. Some times we only see part of the picture, or only understand partly, the eagle I was to look for was not an "eagle" but the hawk, also know here as the little eagle. Also it was a lesson to me, that even when I look with my physical eyes at what looks obvious, that I too will look with my heart and my spiritual eyes, to see what is SevenEagle- really there in front of me. SevenEagle- end AngelWings- who told you to look for an Eagle? SevenEagle- spirit did AngelWings QuietWaters- wonderful story :) AngelWings- yes great story s- just_jersey- beautiful :) onmyown- more than a story though you know..... onmyown- there is a lesson there to learn QuietWaters- oh yes... SevenEagle- this is an excerpt from the "book" I am told to write SevenEagle- ok, anymore questions on the lesson today? or any comments? onmyown- none here at the moment Ravingloon- nope SevenEagle- ok, class over :-) *** Log file closed: 8/17/97 1:28:29 PM |